That's what I said as well. I gave the first comment before the man-hater in my congregation ripping on "lots of husbands" not providing materially and spiritually. I said: "The scripture says that the primary obligation of a husband is to provide materially for his family, otherwise even if he would have faith, he would be worse than one without faith, after that he can take care of the spiritual aspects of his family"
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A good comment at the KH about Abigail
by Quarterback intoday's wt was interesting.
the lesson spoke first about the role of husbands, and then wives.
then it tied in some bible examples in which abigail was mentioned.
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A good comment at the KH about Abigail
by Quarterback intoday's wt was interesting.
the lesson spoke first about the role of husbands, and then wives.
then it tied in some bible examples in which abigail was mentioned.
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Anony Mous
Our conductor asked why there were no young men stepping up to take the lead in our congregations. I raise my hand.
Well, a lot of young people have lost focus, they have been in the organization all their life and as the system keeps going on and on, time passes and a lot of time passes and nothing happens so they are distracted by material things. However they should give some consideration to their personal worship.
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I kinda hope my wife finds out about me
by Anony Mous inso we had a 'special' visitor today in our hall, somebody from patterson, young fellow with a wife.
off course i didn't catch that at first until he started name dropping in the first 5 minutes that he was from bethel .
so he goes on rambling about how we live in the last days and blah-di-blah .
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Anony Mous
So we had a 'special' visitor today in our hall, somebody from Patterson, young fellow with a wife. Off course I didn't catch that at first until he started name dropping in the first 5 minutes that he was from Bethel
So he goes on rambling about how we live in the last days and blah-di-blah I refused to even pick up my Bible to follow along - wife prodding me to pick it up. Finally he goes to something in Hebrews that I found an interesting text, completely misinterprets it because he misses the context.
My wife whispers the story about another guy who sits in our hall (lots of visitors today) that is grossly overweight. He apparently was a single CO once but got too intimate with the knowledge of some of his 'flock' so he got taken down. He also got pictures circulating of him on a Florida beach with a speedo and some sister accompanying him, doesn't surprise me anymore he never got DF'ed. He's grossly overweight, barely fits in the seat, picturing him in a speedo .
Then the topic goes over listening to Jehovah's direction. Quote from memory: "So does Jehovah speak to us directly through the bible? No, Jehovah's direction comes through the Faithful & Discreet Slave and they are to be obeyed since they have the direction". I start nodding no, wtf, there are non-Witnesses here too. "Even if we sometimes don't understand which way we're going we follow the direction of the Faithful & Discreet Slave". Goes over Moses and the Red Sea, Israelites didn't understand why they were being directed by Moses that way. I think, well if you read your bible you should've known they were guided by a column of smoke during the day and a bright light at night, not by Moses.
He also was going over some experiences and going well over time with his part by now. The experiences in Malawe (sic) about them receiving their (NWT) Bible. Out of thanks one of the mothers that was highly pregnant named their baby boy born next day "Loesch" after the GB member that gave them the Bible. Rwanda - apparently some elder got the info on an attack that was coming, he warned his brothers and tried to rescue them and some didn't listen - they lost their lives so it was their fault for not listening.
He finally finishes up with saying "You can't make it into the Kingdom without following the direction of the F&DS". I finally muffle out "bullshit" in the middle of the KH. My wife "What was that, what did you say?". Whoops.
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Saturday's Drama District Convention
by Mickey mouse ini have to hand it to the society, they have big brass balls.. one of the lines in the drama: "i've been doing some research online, you're in a cult, they're brainwashing you!
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Anony Mous
They are using the negative connotations of the words cult and brainwashing and make it seem like it's an over the top accusation that has no grounds.
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The use of citations in the watchtower (1950-2004)
by bohm ina while back i promised to print some numbers on the watchtowers use of bible quotations -- but being a lazy bastard (and having a thesis to write) i have promised and put it on hold a number of times (having a virus infect the computer with the database in did not help either).. anyway, these numbers try to address "selective quoting" of the bible in the watchtower.
the dataset is composed of all watchtowers from the cd printed between 1950 and 2004, but just now i realized there is a (slight) problem in that when citing books with only one chapter, usually only the verse number is shown (eg.
jude 3 rather than jude 1:3) which kind of messed with the script -- oops -- anyway i do not expect this to skew the results very much since the majority of verses in the bible are found in books with more than one chapter.
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Anony Mous
Funny that in mainstream theology, Mark is considered the first, most neutral and most accurate narrative of the historical Jesus. Matthew is considered an expansion upon the Gospel of Mark with basically a collection of word-of-mouth stories some which are not authentic.
Likewise Acts is chosen over the other letters because it includes a lot of the 'organizational' structure of the first century congregations even though the apostles that took the lead in the congregations and the governing body in Jerusalem never interfered with appointments within or the affairs of local congregations or even self-appointed men such as Paul.
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Terrible Analogy at a Convention
by ApostateDance ini'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
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Anony Mous
Except that JW's have been running for almost 200 years (or according to them 2000 years) and still are in the other team's touchdown area.
That and they suck at football so they will all get tackled either by the facts about their team or death.
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Maximum Damage to the WT.
by Essan ini have to hand it to the society.
they understand the power of organization.
they demonstrate that no matter how ridiculous your message and how much the facts don't support your position you can still accomplish a lot if you are organized.
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Anony Mous
The problem as mentioned before is that everything seen as opposition makes them believe that they are right and everything that opposes their view is apostate and thus not worth listening to.
What you have to do is a) make sure you don't fit the persecutor moniker and b) adapt your message to be acceptable within the confines of the religion. The problem is, nobody in the church listens! JW's are just church goers, you can declare yourself to be Satan from stage and nobody would twitch. The people leaving the religion are the smart ones that do listen and see the logical and ethical flaws in the message. If your doctor said that letting your child die would help heal your cancer you would think he's crazy and go somewhere else, however the same message in the religious context is taken in without question and found to be acceptable.
The only way to destroy the JW organization is by poisoning the channels through which they communicate and get their "spiritual food". The greatest flaw is the singular control channel through which they communicate with their members (top down, no questions, official letters and watchtowers). If you could somehow replace or inject messages into the control streams you can affect a great deal of the actions of an individual congregation. A good idea would thus be to get a letter in from the "branch" outlining certain actions to be taken but be careful about the message so you're not tripping the 'apostate' alarms and initiate interaction with the branch.
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Anony Mous
@DesirousOfChange
During my book study I commented: The apostles left the decision making over to the whole congregation. Obviously they did not want to assume the right to appoint anyone. As a matter of fact, the context clearly shows that they did not appoint anyone but merely blessed and ordained them or made it official but the appointment was made by the whole congregation.
Next paragraph: "The apostles appointed" - NO, that's not what it says, read any bible commentator, they say blessed (prayed) and ordained (laid their hands upon or decreed, confer holy orders upon), never appointed. I am making so much annotations in that book.
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Please give me your ideas to beat the cost of internet/phone/cable package...
by FlyingHighNow indamn comcast .
please tell me how you beat them and the pros and cons of your ideas.. i am thanking you in advance and will be forever beholdend to you.
i know we have had threads like this in the past, but technology marches on and maybe there are new things to use these days..
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Anony Mous
Just get your Internet from whatever monopoly you can get it (Comcast in your case). Get a SIP provider for phone (not the proprietary crap from MagicJack or Vonage) for ~$8-12/month and depending on your TV-usage you can either YouTube, Netflix, iTunes. Even over-the-air with an antenna, the major networks (NBC, Fox, ABC) are on 720p digital antenna and the quality is usually higher than cable which in my case scales it down to 360p. There are no IPTV providers (yet) in the US unless you have AT&T U-Verse or Verizon Fibre (bundles again) or you can get a commercial license (don't know the costs though).
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Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?
by stuckinamovement inwithout specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?
please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.
take care.
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Anony Mous
Some of you have received PM's.